NOOOOO, my users love that, I'm going to cry . it was much easier to for the users. Plone user friendliness just went down a notch
(PS. I love Mosaic)
NOOOOO, my users love that, I'm going to cry . it was much easier to for the users. Plone user friendliness just went down a notch
(PS. I love Mosaic)
The implementation was complete orthogonal to all other content handling. It was not a field nor a own type. And I vote against all that introduces another way to store content.
Yes, we thought it would be more consistent to add/manage content like you do everywhere else on the site for images/files.
It's also consistent to have the users insert/add images from the WYSIWYG so you don't have multiple ways to add/manage images. That being said, I'm not strictly against re-adding a Image tile--it just needs to be done in a way where the images are normal content. It could also just be an addon.
Before final 2.0 we should document, how to keep the deprecated tiles available in Mosaic editor, and even the they can really be removed only in a major standardtiles release and with a migration. So, most probably @rnunez can keep using image tiles for a long while.
My Editors use the Image Tile extensivly for Landing Pages. I would find it a little bit pity, if the Image Tile go away.
@1letter @rnunez do you specifically like the way the image and attachment tiles storage works or is it that you just want a specific tile to add an image instead of using rich text tiles?
I want this Tile not the technical specification. My Editors understand the procedures, "I want add an Image" also "I use the Image Tile". I understand the use of RichText-Tile. But the Layout use a specific Slot, e.g. only an Image, the Editor should only add an Image not Text or other HTML Stuff.
Okay, I understand and that's reasonable enough.
Just a specific tile to add an image and another for attachment (file) would do. I understand and agree with the change of storage but personally, I like the fact that the image/attachment follow the same permissions of the object and if you deleted the object it got rid of the image/attachment as well. Also, if you got rid of the tile it was gone, you would not have images/attachments polluting your site.
I usually use folderish types and upload the image as a subitem of the document - so it has same permissions (no own workflow on images/files) and it gets deleted with its parent..
And that also means you can never share images between pages.
However, maybe I have a skewed view of this since I'm trying to use mosaic for all content on my site whereas others might only be using it for a few pages.
And as @jensens suggests, this also maps better long term if can move to collapsing Page/Folder into one content type that is folderish.
Again, as @datakurre suggested, right now the tiles are hidden. You can still re-enable them.
I'm not saying to keep the tiles storage, I'm all in favor of using the image and files content types.
I just wanted to point out what I like about the tiles storage approach. But we do need an Image and File tiles that do not add the extra steps needed using RichText tiles.
Like @1letter said "I want this Tile not the technical specification. My Editors understand the procedures"
I'm interested on this discussion also; in the past we faced some nasty problems because we were storing images in tile annotations (see, for instance, this issue recently fixed: https://github.com/collective/collective.cover/issues/532).
we need to find a way to provide this feature while keeping the implementation details clear; image scaling is also an issue here.
Ok i have a question about the right use of "Video" Tile, with Wildcard.Media Addon. For me, the way it's unclear. What I have done so far:
<!-- TinyMCE Toolbar Media Player Button Enable -->
<records
interface="plone.app.mosaic.interfaces.IFormat"
prefix="plone.app.mosaic.richtext_toolbar.media">
<value key="name">toolbar-media</value>
<value key="category">actions</value>
<value key="label">Edit Media</value>
<value key="action">media</value>
<value key="icon">false</value>
<value key="favorite">false</value>
<value key="weight">2000</value>
</records>
<record
interface="plone.app.mosaic.interfaces.IWidgetAction"
name="plone.app.mosaic.widget_actions.plone_app_z3cform_wysiwyg_widget_WysiwygWidget.actions"
field="actions">
<value purge="False">
<element>toolbar-media</element>
</value>
</record>
<record
interface="plone.app.mosaic.interfaces.IWidgetAction"
name="plone.app.mosaic.widget_actions.plone_app_z3cform_wysiwyg_widget_WysiwygFieldWidget.actions"
field="actions">
<value purge="False">
<element>toolbar-media</element>
</value>
</record>
<record
interface="plone.app.mosaic.interfaces.IWidgetAction"
name="plone.app.mosaic.widget_actions.plone_app_widgets_dx_RichTextWidget.actions"
field="actions">
<value purge="False">
<element>toolbar-media</element>
</value>
</record>
<record
interface="plone.app.mosaic.interfaces.IWidgetAction"
name="plone.app.mosaic.widget_actions.plone_app_z3cform_widget_RichTextFieldWidget.actions"
field="actions">
<value purge="False">
<element>toolbar-media</element>
</value>
</record>
<record
name="plone.app.mosaic.structure_tiles.text.available_actions">
<value purge="False">
<element>toolbar-media</element>
</value>
</record>
<record
name="plone.app.mosaic.app_tiles.plone_app_standardtiles_rawhtml.available_actions">
<value purge="False">
<element>toolbar-media</element>
</value>
</record>
<!-- /TinyMCE Toolbar Media Player Button Enable -->
My Raw HTML Code, copied from WildcardMedia Video Contenttype View
<video poster="../media/videos/imagetrailer/@@images/image" controls="controls">
<source src="../media/videos/imagetrailer/@@view/++widget++form.widgets.IVideo.video_file/@@stream">
</video>
I paste the HTML Code via Embed-Tab, but the Transformation of HTML is only an Image-Tag, the same happens if i paste this Code via Raw-HTML Button of the Editor
<img class="mce-object mce-object-video" src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" data-mce-p-controls="controls" data-mce-p-poster="../media/videos/imagetrailer/@@images/image" data-mce-html="%0A%3Csource%20src%3D%22../media/videos/imagetrailer/@@view/++widget++form.widgets.IVideo.video_file/@@stream%22%20/%3E" data-mce-object="video" data-mce-selected="1">
Then i use the Existing Content Tile and set the reference to the Video Contenttype. But the Heading "h1" is available. Thats not what i want. I hide this via CSS, but the Rule matched also when i use another "Existing Content Tile".
Any Ideas to solve this Problem?
What happens when i use the "Embeded Tile"? Should i write a Browser View which provide the JSON Structure for the "plone.app.standardtiles.embed" or should i write my own View for Wildcard Media Video Contenttype or have i miss an option to solve the Problem? A little confusion in my Head, sorry.
Update:
Ok, now i'm using TinyMCE, add an image with a Link and the Modal Pattern and load the #content-core from the WildcardMedia Contenttype in the Dialog. Not that really what i want, but its a first Workaround.
I just realized that the table and list are also gone
It's in the rich text tile.
From a user perspective I can understand very well that explicit image, file, video, etc tiles are what they want.
I wouldn't want to add a richttext tile to be able to add an image or a video, which has nothing to do with text.
It's just that TinyMCE isn't just a text editor but a HTML editor, which is better in editing text than creating sophisticated HTML layouts. Even if it's a good HTML editor in comparison, it sucks in practice.
I know, but why do we have an embed if that also be done by rich text (Layout can also be done in rich text by editing the source).
I think it was a better user experience for non-tech when images, attachments(files), tables, and lists were inserted tiles way. Advanced users could still use the rich text as usual.
I disagree. It was extremely confusing for users to not be able to add a table/list/etc in rich text and then not be able to add different elements in their table/list/etc. It was very confusing. We're trying to simply the UI.
I think the least confusing is to have them as tiles that can be inserted either into a richtext tile or as its own seperate tile. Then there is no difference. Rich text should also be able to be dragged into its own tile.